‘Transwomen’ are not Women

I met up with my friend Rya Jones over the weekend of 24/25 June and we filmed some video, of which this is the first to be published. The original concept was ‘what does it mean to be trans’ however the new title more accurately represents the finished product.

 

I think it’s indicative of what a blind alley transgender culture is, when a video like this with the central message of ‘we should listen to and respect women’, should attract criticism for being ‘transphobic’. It’s a lazy criticism, reflecting more an empty ideology that cannot engage with rational argument, an authoritarian ideology that ultimately seeks to do to women exactly what men have been doing to women for millennia, which is to tell women what it is to be a woman.

 

I have made the observation many times that transgender activism is men’s rights activism, and a wholly negative form of men’s rights activism it is, having itself become the new, socially acceptable form of sexism, misogyny and homophobia. This is a huge step backwards; when I recall the political landscape of the 1980s when young people rallied against sexism, homophobia and misogyny, a reaction against regressive attitudes embedded in society and, in the UK, a reactionary government that in 1988 enacted Section 28, it breaks my heart to see exactly the same sort of attitudes shown by that era’s moral dinosaurs re-emerge under the cloak of transgenderism: virulent homophobia, Victorian beliefs about female brains claiming the biological essentialism of innate gender, and po-faced complaints about ‘sexism against men’ while telling women to shut up and do as they are told.

 

Transgenderism never addresses the real problem, that it is the system of gender itself which causes real-life problems for transsexuals and transgender individuals, whether through the effect of homophobic attacks by males, street harassment or cultural obstacles to self expression. The perpetrators of such inequities are not women or those of us who are trans and speak out against transgender culture and suffer so much abuse and lateral violence from the transgender community (because when you have no coherent argument to make, violence and abuse are the only weapons you have left). If we are going to address the issues that really cause us difficulties in real-life, we need to name the problem.

 

Transgender Male Violence
Of course, it doesn’t have to be like this. We don’t have to feel threatened by being able to admit to ourselves and others what we are, and we can ally and support women if we are honest. If we are to view trans rights as civil rights, these can be sustainable only if our claim to these rights are based upon reality, and we are ignoring reality if we are insisting that others see us as something we are not: in the attributed words of Abraham Lincoln, you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. These last few weeks I have been reflecting on ‘LGBT Pride’, having seen much controversy again centered around transgender activists. To my mind the abuse, threats, cultural violence and denial of material reality are the antithesis of what it is to have ‘pride’.

 

If we are going to be able to claim ‘Pride’ of any sort, we need to do so on the basis of material reality and our achievements, not claims to victimhood, magical thinking or sustaining cultural violence. And while we’re at it, we need to regain our sense of humour: lighten up, trannies, this used to be fun and now you’re spoiling it for everyone.

 

48 Replies to “‘Transwomen’ are not Women”

  1. It’s so great you are taking on this problem in the Trans acktivist’s agenda. It must be hurting also for Trans-women like you. Keep on with your good argument’s and job.
    Thank you and big hugs to you.

  2. I knew a trans like you two that’s why when all this first came out I was like who gives a damn with the bathroom thing honestly. That’s why when all of the crazy vitriol toward women came out it felt like a real betrayal.

    Not to mention the identities not based on the reality of biological sex.

    I hadn’t encountered the misogynistic reality denying autogyns yet.

    But it’s nice to see you two. It gives me hope.

    I see a potentially severe backlash in the future that is going to sweep up all trans together and it might be very difficult if not impossible to recover from.

    I wish that more in the trans community would drop the non-reality and try allying with women instead of hating us simply because we maintain boundaries and spaces.

    I feel like I’m watching a train wreck and I’m still watching the right to see what their angle is.

    It all seems so intentional.

    1. I think much of the hatred for women that these people have, was present before they decided they were “trans”. Going transexual just gives them a “legitimate” outlet for it. And such glee they have in being able to express it! “I can punch women, yippee!”, “*I’ll* tell them what feminism is, the whores!”. I’m surprised there’s no T-shirt threatening to fuck some sense into those crazy TERF whore-bitches. REAL feminism, like you feel in your heart and testicles.

      And yeah what the right are gonna do IS worrying. Only takes some enterprising smart right-winger to do some real damage. To ACTUAL, real left-wingers, real feminists, people who are fighting for progress in society on behalf of those it oppresses. Rather than the rights of middle-class white (mostly) men to have their feelings trump reality. To have what THEY say and think, be what everyone else has to live with.

      So now the opinions of men shape reality itself (as far as we’re allowed to talk about it, as far as laws are made). And fighting back makes YOU a right-wing reactionary, homophobic type. What a fantastic bit of manoeuvring that was!

      At least people like Milo Wossname are basically just trolls. He doesn’t have money and power behind him. He’s not speaking on behalf of huge established vested interests, big big money, old and powerful groups of men. Mostly he speaks on behalf of idiot virgins and other trolls.

      If transexuals keep getting more attention, more pandering, then as soon as it’s profitable, the PTB are gonna get a sniff and use it to their advantage. Rule us from both sides, the old right, and the new “left”.

      Brrr!

  3. Thank god for you guys. Many women feel that if the definition of “woman” is broadened to include, well, any male who “”feels”” he is one, then legally women (in the biological sense) will no longer exist, which is not only highly insulting but a dangerous legal and medical precedent.

  4. I wish you would talk to my son who is trapped by this madness, he tried to strangle me because “he was angry”, now in a secure mental health unit having his delusion affirmed……what are parents supposed to do? We are very lost, isolated and frightened. Thank you for speaking the truth Miranda

    1. I’m sorry for what you are going through. He’s not though being held in an MHU on the basis he’s trans?

      1. No he is in there after 3 years requesting mental health treatment from his uni went ignored, in his vulnerable state he was pounced on by TRA’s as an easy target to manipulate and convince he is trans (he has never had dysphoria until 6 months ago after 24/7 immersion in the trans ideology). He is being treated by National Schizophrenic Fellowship but being released on Monday. The Domestic Violence team are very concerned about my personal safety.

  5. I watched this and some of Rya’s other videos just last night.

    All I can say is thanks for bringing some sense to this, we desperately need this dialogue. Your dead right, the activists are acting in a very masculine way and it just isn’t working, we used to be able to create a separation between women and the social concept of women but that seems to be long gone and it’s affecting women’s rights to privacy and safety majorly.

  6. Nope. Transwomen are women. I don’t want womanhood to be defined by sex. My vagina is not what makes me a woman. Transwomen are not privilaged, the rates at which they experience sexual abuse and work related discrimination is much higher than cis women. Transwomen help broaden what it means to be a woman. They help illustrate that some discrimination is purely gendered, given that transwomen have much higher rates of being sexually abused than transmen. Your terf rhetoric is weak from a biological, anthropological, and sociological perspective. In many societies there are more than two genders, but thanks for your hateful ahistoric view of the matter.

    1. Your words are just polemic. There is no hate in what I am saying. Why can’t ‘transwomen’ broaden what it means to be a man? Surely this would be better for everyone, ‘transwomen’ included?

      1. Because we aren’t men, so it makes no sense that our experience broadens the definition of men? Trans women are women, trans men are men. Trans men are the ones who broaden men’s experiences. Trans is a prefix just like black or Jewish or gay, it’s not a a separation but an intersection.

        1. Except that a black woman, a Jewish woman and a gay woman are born with a female reproductive system. Massive difference. Can you not see this ideology goes nowhere?

          1. Thank you. I have nothing against trans people but I’m horrified by the erasure of biological reality from the discussion. Can a male bodied adult simply declare that they identify as ‘female’ and automatically appropriate women’s spaces and womanhood? Is said person a ‘woman’ at the point of identification as a woman w/o regard to physical transition? When I asked these questions I was called a terf, ‘gross’, ‘transphobic’ and so on. Not only that, women who were also raising the question were accused of being responsible for the murder of trans women (even though the perpetrators are cis men who don’t have any particular interest in feminism).

        2. You are just not understanding.

          Women are not people who fail at or don’t identify with masculinity. We are not “non-men.”

          Broaden the definition of men, get rid of the man box, and male-bodied people can like knitting, wearing dresses and crying at sappy movies, too. They can like having sex with men or even getting fake breasts. Maybe they want to take hormones and have surgeries to appear more like women and solve a mind/body disconnect. That would be okay for men too.

          Women are ALSO not people who identify with femininity. This is offensive.

          You are not women, you are trans males, which is to say either female-body identifying males (transsexuals) or femininity identifying males (transgender). You may work to resolve your dysmorphia, but can’t expect the world to revolve around alleviating your dysphoria (expecting this probably does not help trans mental health outcomes). Many people will be nice and use your pronouns, which is a level of consideration (some would say enabling) more than people with other distressing psychological conditions receive, but erasing biological sex categories? Demanding access to women’s spaces and bodies based on your internal feelings? Erasing the origins of female oppression to suit your narrative? Erasing reality to suit your narrative? That is beyond selfish, it’s evil.

    2. “the rates at which they experience sexual abuse and work related discrimination is much higher than cis women” ha ha ha ha, I am crying with laughter

    3. ” I don’t want womanhood to be defined by sex. ”
      Yes, nothing should be defined by it’s actual definition.
      Madness.

    4. Everything you say is false.

      Women, as always, are sexually abused at a far higher rate than males of any kind. The murder rate is highest of non-trans males, followed by non-trans females, followed by trans males and trans females.

      Historical “third genders” have all been based on rigid gender roles in patriarchal societies and the policing of people’s behavior due to said gender roles, which are both proscriptive and prescriptive.

      Interesting you accuse others of being “ahistorical” when 1)you cannot give a non-circular definition of “woman” that does not involve sex and 2)you are appropriating and mischaracterizing the history of other cultures.

    5. I know it’s 16 months later but I can’t let this go. If your womanhood has nothing to do with your sexed body then where on earth does it reside?

      Do you believe in ladybrain or some sort of gendered soul? The first is Sexism 101, the other sounds like a faith position.

      I challenge you to define the word woman so that it *includes* women as well as transwomen but *excludes* both men and transmen. Circular definitions don’t count. Saying “a nargle is anyone who identifies as a nargle” doesn’t tell us anything about what a nargle is. My definition is woman = adult human female.

      You say “Transwomen are not privilaged, the rates at which they experience sexual abuse and work related discrimination is much higher than cis women.”

      I don’t know about work – I’m sure transwomen do face discrimination, though many late transitioning men have already ridden that sweet male privilege to success at work, often with a wife doing the heavy lifting at home. No one ever hesitated to hire or promote them over concerns about potential pregnancy. Pip/Philip Bunce of Credit Suisse is a notorious example.

      But sexual abuse? Are you crazy? The reason men succeed in committing industrial levels of sexual abuse is simple. Men have far greater physical strength than women. Strength fuelled by aggression.

      Had I been of equal strength to them, neither of the men who raped me would have succeeded. But because I’m a woman I wasn’t strong enough to fight them off.

      Male strength isn’t just a product of their greater average height. It’s expressed in every part of their bodies, from their larger heart and lungs to the angle of their legs to their pelvis. We’re a sexually dimorphic species – it’s our whole bodies, not just our genitals, that differ.

      This is the reason sports should remain sex segregated. It’s also the reason your claim that transwomen experience far higher rates of sexual abuse is piffle. Rapists and molesters are very much less likely to attack anyone who can defend themselves.

      As for “terf rhetoric” – your internalised misogyny is ugly to witness. Here’s hoping you’re really young and impressionable.

  7. Omg! thank you for that! You’re both beautiful souls! trans agenda is dangerously dividing the feminism, It’s awful.

  8. Not to mention “who cares?” Are we going to tell an organization supporting black women to stop focusing on black women and focus more on Native women because they are at a higher risk of rape? Of course not. I also don’t by that transwomen experience higher rates of violence, given the violent pornification of women’s bodies and the prolific spread of the sex industry, which mainly impacts women very violently (it is bodies with vaginas which are the main demand of men and the main focus of sex traffickers). Throw this in with what we are losing in reproductive rights – which I consider a form of violence against women – and I say we are at least tied. But again, it should be irrelevant, because violence against one group does not mean we don’t talk SPECIFICALLY against the violence of another group.

  9. I have a question and I feel a bit ridiculous asking it but I read a lot about what trans women should be allowed to call themselves from a radical feminist perspective and stuff. I am a M-to-F transsexual individual. Since a long time no one referred to me as a man or trans. Neither people in public life nor new friends nor lovers. Should I now because I seem not to deserve to be called anything like ‘Miss’ or ‘she’ or ‘this woman over there’ correct every person who calls me like this and tell them they’re actually wrong cause I have xy-chromosomes? Cause this would be very exhausting and I don’t really see the point. Of course when I go to the doctor and the first thing they ask is if I am taking ‘the pill’ I explain to them for medical reasons that I am a transsexual. Or people I have sex with I tell before that I’m trans cause I’ve heard there are people for whom it’s important what inner organs and chromosomes their sex partners have (however until now nobody I’ve had sex with cared). Or if I’m really close friends with someone I sometimes tell them I’m trans because it’s relevant for some story about my past life or whatever. But if I’d do this in any social situation I’m afraid I would waste a lot of time doing this and I don’t really understand the purpose since I’m not really a huge fan of arguments that are based upon what someone ‘deserves’ or not.

    1. I think the main point is to acknowledge and recognize the clear differences (biological, social, and political) between women and transsexuals living as women, not so much to allow this difference to preside over every discussion or interaction you’re part of because you’re transsexual. I’m a woman, and if I had a hood on and someone behind me said about me “beside that man over there”, I wouldn’t necessarily feel the need to correct them. As far as pronouns go, and this is more my personal opinion rather than a thorough political position, if someone has made a considerable effort to transition, is respectful and acknowledging of the difference between transsexuals and women, and doesn’t expect/demand to be included in pronouns, I don’t really mind sharing it with them in an honourary sort of way. Not every radfem feels that way, and I’m not strictly speaking from a political standpoint, it’s just what I personally think would or wouldn’t be beyond the pale in my interactions. If someone is disrespectful/hostile, stuck in a delusion that they are exactly the same as a woman, and feels entitled to take pronouns/identities (which does not sound like you), I’m not inclined to give them anything. I think that the attitude of a trans person with regards to pronouns/titles (whether they demand a certain pronoun or not, if they become hostile or cry victimization if they don’t get the “right” pronoun, if they feel entitled to claim/define womanhood and all its titles/pronouns/protections/recognition, etc) is what’s more important. As long as you acknowledge the difference between yourself and women where it’s relevant (like with female-only spaces, with medical concerns, and with sexual partners, as you do), that’s more important than correcting how strangers/acquaintances refer to you in casual conversation.

      1. Thanks for your answer. I certainly understand that there are differences. And as I said in my other comment I’d not for example go to a meeting that is excluding people like me even if I could. I also don’t see why someone whould do this. But there is something where I am a bit insecure. I have been sexually harrassed several times on allgender toilets and twice there were men who tried to rape me and I was lucky once there was someone helping me and once I could escape. I know that I don’t have xx-chromosomes and female inner organs but because of my appearance I become a victim of male violence because people always think I am female. So what toilet should I use?

        1. I definitely see your conundrum, male-perpetrated violence often spreads beyond women to males who remind those violent men of women (be it because they’re transsexual, gay/bisexual, feminine, etc). I think the ultimate issue that must be addressed is male violence itself, nobody should ever be endangered by being in a men’s bathroom. Ideally, transsexuals should be able to safely use men’s bathrooms. However, we’re nowhere near the point of being rid of male violence against anybody.

          What I understand of laws that do not revolve around self-ID is that sex-reassignment medical interventions/surgeries are generally a permissible basis for using bathrooms for the other sex. From what I’ve seen, radical feminists tend not to be particularly concerned about people who are fully transitioned transsexuals using women’s bathrooms because 1) there’s so few transsexual people, most “trans” people will never have SRS in their entire life and the majority don’t take hormones either 2) feminists are mainly concerned with the unique sexual threat that functioning penises pose to women 3) that system is not remotely as abuse-able for predators compared to self-ID 4) true transsexuals tend to be much more respectful and deferring about women’s spaces than the transgender activists we see today (ie, they overwhelmingly don’t threaten to rape/beat up/kill women that don’t agree with them being in women’s spaces, or accuse women of killing trans people even though it’s men doing that, or threatening to commit suicide over not being included in women’s spaces the way that so many transgender activists do).

          The new trend of violent transgender activists centering all their hostility towards women who disagree with them and trying to gaslight everyone into thinking that penises are female sex organs has really ended up throwing transsexuals under the bus. They’ve created a rapidly-advancing threat to women’s safety and people like you end up getting dragged into the issue by superficial association, and I really am dismayed to see this. Previously, we didn’t really have to worry about this .

          I don’t think there’s a 100% clear-cut answer here, and I think each issue varies (for example, I don’t think that violent transsexual male criminals should ever be transferred to women’s prisons but there should instead be safety measures in men’s prisons for them, professional sports should also be strictly sex-segregated, etc). For bathrooms, when there is no single-occupant neutral one available, I don’t have a particular problem with transsexuals who have had sex reassignment using women’s washrooms. I think that a notably significant effort to transition (which would inadvertently end up making women more comfortable and fairly effectively neutralize the sexual threat that males would otherwise pose to women) could earn someone special privileges to be guests in women’s bathrooms. Not to say that transsexuals should be regarded as children obviously, but we do allow young male children to be in women’s bathrooms even though they’re not females because they clearly don’t pose any risk to women but can be at risk in men’s bathrooms. I think there can be room for considering the risk (or lackthereof) that an individual poses.

          1. Of course, that’s just my opinion on it. I’m generally pretty relaxed about such things (not sure why), while other radfems are more strict, often because of worse personal experiences than I’ve had. It’s important to bear in mind that women should not be expected to fix male violence, nor should women be responsible for protecting males from other male violence (and in turn being seen as responsible for crimes committed against males by males since women didn’t ‘protect them enough’, as I see happening frequently with trans activists blaming women for men committing violence against trans people, totally avoiding confronting the actual problem). That’s not what you’re doing of course, I’m just clarifying my position. Male violence is the fault of men alone, it is men’s responsibility to stop it and create protections. One of the tasks feminism has undertaken is to create those protections and hold men responsible for their crimes (because men sure as hell weren’t doing it themselves, even though they should have but of course didn’t), and feminism by its nature must focus on women. Women should not ever be expected/required to change their lives or relinquish their protections in order to prevent males from assaulting other males, nor should women be held at-fault for not doing enough (ie, giving up enough protections) to stop male violence, nor should feminism be attacked for focusing on females. Again though, that’s not what you’re doing, that’s just the current trend of discourse.

            At the same time, although women/feminism should not be expected to do this or attacked for not meeting the standard, I don’t think it detracts unfairly from women to extend help to people such as yourself out of benevolence to people in general. The cause is the same as feminism’s main target (male violence and toxic masculinity), and it is not such a huge and separate issue that it’d require a significant burden of resources to address. It needn’t redefine women/females either (like I mentioned before, we still allow young male children into women’s bathrooms but we acknowledge that this does not make them women/females or imply that women’s bathrooms should be open to anyone). Gay/bisexual men are also victims of similar hostility from other men, but transsexuals are a vastly smaller group (and have taken more steps to move away from male socialization) than them and they’ve been pretty orphaned from their movement (which mainly focuses on defending the preferred pronouns of violent male criminals and screaming at lesbians for not fantasizing about dicks, rather than actually addressing male violence, misogyny, and homophobia that causes the real problems), so I recognize that you’d benefit from having a larger movement working with you rather than trying to stop male violence against transsexuals by yourselves. Transsexuals can be valuable allies to feminism, so it’s not a one-way benefit relationship, which is a good thing. I just think it shouldn’t be about one group demanding inclusion into another group that they really have no right to be part of, but more about recognizing the benefits of allying and being benevolent when it is possible (again, not because that group should be expected to be benevolent – women are often expected to put others first and their own concerns second – but just out of a wish to help other people). Not a matter of being entitled to women’s washrooms, but of being select guests subject to controls (like requiring SRS) in them.

            I think the political side must look at the bigger picture (like opposing identity-based bathroom rules because of the risks this entails, and the minimal/absent transition effort and blatant misogyny of the people pushing these laws; also being opposed to efforts to erase the differences between men/women by allowing personal identity/feelings to dictate everyone’s reality), while the individual side can recognize the exceptions (eg, I don’t think a transsexual person who has had SRS and hormones and living as a woman for several years poses a notably significant threat to women in a washroom – although trans-identified males tend to retain male patterns of violence and this is a primary source of concern for feminists, what I understand is that this is concentrated mainly in the ‘trans’ males that have never taken hormones or had surgery). Like I said, it’s not clear-cut and trans activists have created such a toxic political environment that’s hard to work around without drawing them into any possible loopholes/flexibilities, but I’m more concerned about carte-blanche national policies allowing males that often vehemently hate/resent women to access rape crisis shelters and washrooms with no controls beyond a magic 5-word phrase (“I identify as a woman”) than I am with a medically-transitioned transsexual living as a woman for many years being given “guest access”, so to speak, to some women’s spaces.

          2. Is there a way to support radical feminism as a transsexual? I really would like to but I always find myself being told that my pure existence is a danger to radical feminism. Or that at least I should be something different. Most of the time a gender non-conforming boy. And always it comes back to identity. I just want to help.

          3. Maybe consider supporting women rather than radical feminism per se? Five to ten years ago the women in this debate were mainly radical feminists, now it’s mainly ‘ordinary’ women who feel their ability to describe their everyday lives is being taken away.

          4. I support women whereever I can. But all the women I’m friends with tell me that their life situations are way better than mine. They also refuse not to consider me as a woman when I tell them about these debates and they find it rather crazy. How do the women you mean say their lifes get taken away?

  10. In addition to my former comment:

    Of course I would never invade any space that is not created for me because it is for biologically females only. Firstly out of respect and secondly because they’re probably talking about issues I have nothing to say about and that are none of my business. So trying to invade those would actually just be a way to confirm ones identity which is a thing that I personally don’t find very interesting since there’s more exciting stuff in life than the rather reactionary concept of identity.

    I was just talking about everyday life gendering which is based on what people think ones sex is. Even if ones perspective is something like: M-to-F transsexuals are mentally ill males with mutilated bodies. This doesn’t affect the way other people see their bodies. So.. what to do?

  11. I love your work and I sincerely commend your courage to stick your neck out in this toxic and violent atmosphere of transgender ideology. I really appreciate your political/cultural insights and your perspectives as a transsexual, I always learn something new from your works. I have been so thoroughly repulsed and disappointed with supposed women’s groups and gay/bisexual groups changing their cultures to revolve around the feelings of perpetually and violently angry young males with an axe to grind against women and ‘misgender-ers’. It’s such a breath of fresh air to hear from trans people like you that have unique and politically-astute insights to share. I am sickened to see women’s rights being rolled back by lady-brainerz glorifying sexualized aggression against women as progressive and ‘woke’, as well as how you and other critically-minded trans people are thrown under the bus and subjected to abuse by them as part of it. Lots of love from Canada!

  12. thank your for your differentiated argument;
    I have only encountered one trans-person, part of a hetero-couple, early in my career, many years ago; it bewildered me and my biggest question left was what the dynamic between the couple really was; then a couple of years ago, I saw a statue of a trans person in AUS – female to male who decided not go for the fuFrom that background I am wondering whether the apparent surge of trans-identity or at least the discussion of it (and certainly the spiteful strands of it) does not at least to some extent stem from the inability to live with ambiguity, to accept am-bi-valence? Has any trans-kid, for example, ever had the chance of deep existential counselling saying it is ok to be wrong, it is ok to be both…? Scrolling through some of the early comments I came across the painful one of a young man sectioned, under psychiatric ‘care’ – and my heart aches. As I doubt the answer has been found there yet…
    Thanks for your work! Best wishes,

  13. it appears that a sentence in my comment just now was misprinted (as I only noticed when copying and pasting onto my fb page where I share the link to your site). Apologies. It should read: … a statue of a trans person in AUS – female to male who decided not go for the full op in the end. There was an aha-moment, There was something I could understand. …

  14. This is a lot of what I have been wrestling with a lot as of late.

    My experience is largely different from many other male-to-female transgender/transsexual women. In the years leading up to my transition, I exhibited very few male characteristics – stereotypical or otherwise. I never embraced my self-described gay man’s identity, having felt no more authenticity in that than I did before I came out as such in an effort to “live my truth.” My transition began not as a result of having “failed at manhood,” but at having never felt any affinity with manhood in the first place.

    My transition has been much less about “womanhood” than it is about “personhood.” My character has been severely altered, in that behaviors and language that was dictated by testosterone has shifted with the complete changeover to estrogen. This is not, however, what “makes me a woman,” and I do not claim to have a female body. Despite this, I do not find that I belong in any male space, nor did I ever feel I belonged in a male space before I began my transition. I also have very few factors that call to my not having been born with XX chromosomes, and my presence in a men’s bathroom – a facet of the trans debate that I am wary of engaging in – caused men to double take only a few months into my taking hormones. I am not arguing that my ability to be “stealth,” as it were, necessitates my usage of a women’s bathroom, but I do not see an alternative.

    Per the male violence in the trans community, I am wholly sickened by the usurpation of TERF as a slur or epithet of rage from the original usage as a categorization within the cisgendered feminist community (if I am wrong about this origination, please feel free to correct me). I do see a LOT of trans women clinging to male privilege and using it to their advantage. “Loudest in the room” unfortunately applies to many, and I see a lot of behavior that resembles that of the “masculinity so fragile” tag that was floating around the luminiferous ether a few years back. Fear of being triggered has resulted in severe reprimand – at best – to misgendering and questioning the validity/authenticity of trans people’s existence instead of inwardly working to heal from the issues that are being triggered. In other words, the triggering is ultimately the responsibility of the one being triggered, not the person who isn’t even trying to be triggering.

    Finally – at least in this specific comment – I find the existence of trans men in men’s spaces to be grossly lacking in these arguments. Perhaps it is because male privilege is not threatened, or because they do not face any of the treatment by women that women do by men. But we cannot myopically focus on trans women when debating the presence of trans people in the spaces of the gender that they now identify with that opposes their assigned sex at birth. If trans women are not welcome in women’s spaces and need to understand their existence outside of the female identity, then what of trans men’s existence outside of the male identity? Using the bathroom example – which again, seems a bit cheap when there are SO many other areas of issue here – if trans women should not be using women’s restrooms, this relegates them to men’s bathrooms in the absence of a gender neutral bathroom. On the other side, does this then relegate trans men to using women’s restrooms? And if this occurs, will women be any less threatened by the existence of a male-presenting person who was not born with a penis than by a female-identifying male-bodied person? Are trans men’s presence in women’s spaces validated by their pre-transition experiences as females, or is it negated by their visual presentations that represent male existence?

  15. Everything you say is false.

    Women, as always, are sexually abused at a far higher rate than males of any kind. The murder rate is highest of non-trans males, followed by non-trans females, followed by trans males and trans females.

    Historical “third genders” have all been based on rigid gender roles in patriarchal societies and the policing of people’s behavior due to said gender roles, which are both proscriptive and prescriptive.

    Interesting you accuse others of being “ahistorical” when 1)you cannot give a non-circular definition of “woman” that does not involve sex and 2)you are appropriating and mischaracterizing the history of other cultures.

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